I’m going to hell for this post. Oh well, it’s not like I wasn’t going there anyway. I’ll say hi to Hitler for you guys.

Let me tell you all a story about an ex-girlfriend. We had been dating for about a year and a half. You guys probably can’t imagine me as anything but a curmudgeony bastard who yells at teenagers, but I was quite smitten with this particular girl. She used to make me apple crisp. She texted me good night every single night. And, most importantly, she used to let me touch her boobs pretty much as often as I wanted.

Hold on, blood is rushing towards my extremities. There, better.

There was one problem that turned out to eventually lead to the end of the relationship. Led by her parents, the family was pretty hardcore religious. They went to church every single Sunday. They prayed before each meal. My ex and her siblings were home schooled, because there wasn’t a religious enough school for her parents.

Now, enter me. I am certainly not religious. Depending on the day and my mood, I go from being agnostic to a full out atheist. I have no idea why people will base their entire lives on a book. And yet, I dated a hardcore Christian girl for a year and a half. I also foolishly thought we could just agree to disagree with the religious stuff.

Of course we couldn’t. We broke up. But before we did, I had a conversation with my girl and her mom about saving money. As I maintain here, I think everyone should be saving 10% of their income for long term growth. I told them this. Mom responded by saying that was a good idea, but only if God was taken care of first. It took me a minute, but I realized what she was talking about- tithing. It was suggested that she should tithe before she saved for any long term goals.

Let me be clear before I finish up this post. If you feel the need to tithe, then knock yourself out. It’s your money and your business what you do with it. Even though I see no value in it, I can understand the desire to support something you feel strongly about. With that out of the way:

Tithing is a really bad thing to do if you want to get ahead financially.

That’s not really groundbreaking. Giving away 10% of your income is a pretty poor way to get rich. It doesn’t matter who you give it to, it’s gone. It can’t be invested for long term growth, or used to pay down debt, or even used to buy food. Getting ahead on 100% of your income is hard enough, cutting it down to 90% is just placing an unnecessary weight upon yourself.

Okay, maybe I’m being too hard on the church. Maybe they tell people not to tithe if they have debt. Or, maybe they don’t have to tithe if they’re paying off high interest consumer debt. Or, perhaps the church is lenient on young adults attending school.

No on all three counts. The church expects 10% of every dollar brought in by every member of the church. To paraphrase the old George Carlin joke, why does an all knowing and all powerful God need your money? The answer is easy, like every organization, money makes it a whole lot easier to expand your agenda.

This puts the church in a bit of an awkward spot. They need money for churchy stuff, so they hit up members for their 10% tithe. But members, like most people, don’t have enough left over at the end of the month. Which is why, according to a 2002 survey, only 3% of regular churchgoers actually give their full 10%. Another 3% gave the church something regularly, meaning a full 94% of attendees don’t regularly give the church a cent. I’m reminded of this exchange during a Simpsons episode, while the collection plate is being passed around at church:

Marge: 30 cents off Shake N’ Bake? Homer!

Homer: We can spare it Marge. We’ve been blessed.

Getting people to tithe is hard, apparently. And it’s no wonder. Most people can’t save anything. They struggle to make ends meet, and then they go to church and are expected to give 10% of their income. They can’t do it. Mortgages and other debts need to get paid first. So the church goes without.

Churches are starting to realize this. Dave Ramsey is so closely affiliated with the church, I’m surprised he hasn’t been named a saint yet. If churches can get their congregations on the right path with their finances, that’s more wealth to be passed back to the church. And yet, I’m sure these courses are always represented as a way to help church members.

Unless you’re super frugal or an exceptionally high earner, tithing the full amount and saving for retirement will be pretty hard. Which is why you, like so many other members of the church, just shouldn’t bother.

  • http://www.FabulouslyBroke.com FB @ FabulouslyBroke.com

    A great, potentially controversial post. I happen to agree with you. ;)

    I think tithing is a great idea, if you have the money to do so.

    …So we’re talking having to save 20% then.

    10% to Tithe
    10% to Save for your own well-being

    I once heard a preacher say on the pulpit on TV (LOL!)

    “If you give money to God, he will give it back to you tenfold. So GIVE him your 10% tithe!!”

    All I could think was — “Oh really? My grandparents tithed a precious amount of their meager $$ to the church and my mom and her billion siblings went hungry their whole childhood (16 siblings to be exact).”

    No wonder I’m an atheist now.

    (Before anyone squeals at me, I do give a lot of money away to charities each year, about 10% of my income, sometimes more in exceptional cases like to Japan)

  • Kai

    I often question what a church is doing with the money, even if I did support the general work of the church, but giving money to charity, especially on a percentage base is not going to screw you up if you have your finances in order. There’s a reason it’s a percentage – when you’re a student working part time bringing in $800/month, it’s only $80 – if you simply never include that in your income to spend in the first place, you’re not going to miss that. 
    It is true that if you are trying to make as much money as you can, giving away any of it is dumb. 
    But it’s perfectly possible to give away 10% of your money and put 15% in long-term savings, and still live comfortably if you’re responsible. 

    As for the church’s tithing expectations, a responsible person shouldn’t ever have high-interest consumer debt in the first place – why should we let someone off for screwing up? the state certainly doesn’t allow any such excuses.

  • http://www.101centavos.com 101 Centavos

    Sure enough, God’s mad at a you.  Not for inveighing against tithing, but for corrupting a nice Christian girl for that long. Touching her boobs?
    We have a Christian charity that we donate to every year, for the good work they do helping and feeding the homeless.  Still, I’ve asked them to quit sending appeals in the mail. Save the stamp money, we’re going to contribute anyway.

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  • Bret @ Hope to Prosper

    I was raised a Catholic and I figure they have quite enough money.  I once saw a picture of our Bishop’s house and I was shocked at how extravagant it was.  To me, it seems like the church is taking money from widows to buy gold statues.

    A lot of smaller churches aren’t doing so well in this economy.  And, I think it will get worse in the future.  Not only do parishioners have less money to give, a lot more people are starting to become agnostic or atheist.  I think it’s a trend that will continue.

    • Anonymous

      I agree with all of this.

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  • Frugalforties

    “Which is why you, like so many other members of the church, just shouldn’t bother.”

    Really? So you should walk into your gym and tell them you demand that they provide you with services, but you’re not gong to bother to pay? Or you should tell your school that you’re not going to pay their tuition but you still want to use their facilities and be enlightened by the staff there? What about any professional or hobby memberships you have? They should provide you with service and facilities for free as well, right?

    As I mentioned on another blog referencing this post, why is it that no one seems to blink an eye at paying for services they receive, but call it a church and a tithe and suddenly people go apesh*t.

    If you use the facilities, if you are enlightened or enriched by the people who run the place, if you rely on them for fellowship or support .. you have a MORAL obligation to pay for what you receive. Should it be 10%? That’s between you, your minister/pastor/priest, and your god(s).

    But I do find it somewhat offensive that someone who isn’t a member of a church and self-admittedly has no knowledge or understanding of how churches are run feels free to say “you shouldn’t bother supporting this organization”.

    And FWIW, I am not a Christian, nor do I go to a church. But if I did I would absolutely feel an obligation to pay some portion of a fair share of compensation for the services/products/facilities that I made use of.

    • Anonymous

      If I was a member of a gym where 94% of people who attended didn’t regularly pay a penny to do so, I’d have absolutely no problem using it for free. After all, most everybody else is. That was one of the arguments I believe why people shouldn’t bother to tithe.

  • http://www.donnafreedman.com Donna Freedman

    I don’t “tithe” as in 10% of my income. But I do donate to my church each month through an automatic withdrawal from my checking account.
    It has nothing to do with buying favor in Heaven, and everything to do with  community.
    The church I attend has a sliding-scale preschool and a full-time child care center for working parents who are financially strapped. It offers rent and utility assistance (you don’t have to be a member to apply), feeds homeless teens, operates an emergency pantry, helps sponsor Habitat For Humanity homes being built in the area, and provides physical and financial help for elders and for people living with HIV.
    There’s probably other services, too, that don’t come to mind.
    So yes, I donate. People are in need. This church helps.

  • http://www.donnafreedman.com Donna Freedman

    Oh, I forgot to mention: My church does not consider 10% to be mandatory. In fact, I’ve never been told what to give.
    At one point I was facing a potential personal economic downturn. I told the guy in charge of stewardship and he immediately said something along the lines of, “Well, then of course you would stop the donation until you felt safe doing it again.”
    And when I was wondering if I could continue to help a friend who showed no interest in fixing her financial problems, one of the pastors told me that God did not want me to endanger myself financially.
    I just wanted to let you know that not every church operates the same way.
    Incidentally: I agree with my pastor (and you!) that we should not give if it puts us in a precarious financial situation. That old saw about putting on your own oxygen mask first? Pretty much.

    • Anonymous

      Most churches should be so understanding.

      I assume you’re on the right track financially, so you can easily afford to tithe. But what about people who aren’t? If you have no retirement savings, should you tithe? Lots of people have little in retirement savings. I still don’t think they should tithe.

  • Fabulouslyfrugirl

    I agree that one should tithe if they can afford to do so without putting their own finances in danger. The exact amount should be up to the individual, but maybe 10% is a guideline or place to start.

    • Anonymous

      I agree. Yet the church has the stand that nothing less than 10% is acceptable because of about 3 sentences in a 2000 page book.

  • Andrew Hallam

    Uproar, your stuff continues to kill me, as Holden Calufield would say.

    • Anonymous

      Are you calling me a phony!?!?!?!?!?

      Also, I didn’t really enjoy Catcher in the Rye. There, I said it. Holden Calufield kind of annoyed me the whole book.

  • The Dividend Ninja

    FU, 100% Awesome Post :) I agree with everything you pretty well mention here!  Maybe that’s why so many religous people like to sell insurance and mutual funds,they believe everything they are told, and need their 10% back ;)  

  • Anonymous

    I have just read this blog and must say I am flabbergasted that so much attention is being paid to what is, most assuredly, a man made construct.  I am, I would think closer to leaving this earth than most of the people reading this blog, I’m 72, but I just fall all over myself in disbelief that people are getting upset about giving, or not giving to charity or a church.  I do not give to any church and I do not give to any charity. the world my think Bill Gates is doing a fantastic job, giving away his money but I am not so sure.  Bill Gates may save a lot of children from death from AIDS but what are these same children going to do with the rest of their lives?  Will Gates provide jobs for these people?  There are millions of people starving in the horn of Africa but the simple fact is, that, there are just too many people living there and too many people living in the world as it is.    Yes, I watch John Hagee, just so I can see what the opposition is.     But I do not send money to anybody!!!

    • Anonymous

      There you have it. This guy is against saving cute little children.

  • http://askross.ca RossTaylorMoney

    I really liked the provocative commentary on tithing, and I actually write smut based fiction under a pseudonym. But Nelson, IMO you should not mix the two – for me the only reason I prolly won’t re-post this otherwise strong article is the gratuitous sexual imagery at the beginning – fwiw

    • Anonymous

      Thanks for the feedback Ross.

      Ultimately though, inappropriate jokes is what separates this blog from the thousands of others out there. So they’re not about to stop.

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